place. one of the ways i've taken to trying to describe the whole thing, which annoys people sometimes. growing up in new hampshire and being a ceo, i always felt like what ile thought -- what i said, what i did, all had to be the same thing. if you're in government, that's three separate decisions. right? i mean, you think about it. what they say isn't necessarily what they think. what they do is not necessarily what they say or think. it's a -- there's a complexity to what they're doing that i don't have to deal with. you watch it sometimes. i can remember meeting with paul once and him telling me, you know, i'm with you, dave. i thought, great. walked out, talking to my guy, i said, look, what a great meeting. he said, no, bob, we're in trouble. i said what do you mean? he's not with us. i know he said that, that's not what he means. this is what he means.